What are bad career choices for ENTPs?

Updated on : January 17, 2022 by Alonso Durham



What are bad career choices for ENTPs?

The good news is, I found this out the hard way and I'm going to save you some pain. The bad news? I discovered this the hard way, later in life, and faced a lot of confusion and pain along the way. I love creating, restructuring music, dance, poetry, learning languages, disappearing in cultural places for months and immersing myself in the language. I also love participating in lively discussions and debates on theories of physics until the wee hours of the morning without needing to sleep or eat, learning other languages ​​and cultural perspectives on physics, and challenging current models and wonders.

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The good news is, I found this out the hard way and I'm going to save you some pain. The bad news? I discovered this the hard way, later in life, and faced a lot of confusion and pain along the way. I love creating, restructuring music, dance, poetry, learning languages, disappearing in cultural places for months and immersing myself in the language. I also love participating in lively discussions and debates on theories of physics until the wee hours of the morning without needing to sleep or eat, learning other languages ​​and cultural perspectives of physics, and challenging current models and wondering if we could go further. of current models and re-invent physics itself?

Unfortunately, I grew up in an environment that held me back, that valued a strict puritanical work ethic over following one's dreams (and viewed academics as "homeless"). I come to life in academia because I am constantly learning and devouring anything from literature, poetry, computing to theoretical physics, quantum chemistry, QCD, discovering new particles, theories, and wondering if gravitational waves are made of oscillating particles and potential dark matter. . This sense of (re) discovering myself allowed me to continue (or how I learned to stop doubting myself and loving) my childhood vocation in Theoretical Physics. I am also known for "not suffering fools with gusto" and had a wicked way of bullying people in my youth (but I have managed to keep the beast in check today) and could use some help in the department of sitzflesich. Said that

  1. Customer service: Including scheduled breaks and lunches (* shudder *), micromanaged calls, metrics and standards compliance, especially if those metrics leave a lot of unfinished work and more callbacks from customers who didn't get your products, which contradicts the purpose of the term "customer service" And it is not rational in any sense ...
  2. Administrative / secretarial / assistantship positions (enough said).
  3. Anything that stifles your creativity or doesn't allow you to push yourself to the limit.
  4. Micro admins and control freaks (How many ENTPs who read this cringed when they heard that word?). Micromanagers who constantly control you, instead of letting your creativity flow.
  5. Caregiver position (don't confuse with leadership) - Anything that requires you to care for and think about large groups of people, whatever their needs.
  6. Anything considered mundane.
  7. Any place that keeps secrets and hides things, especially shuts down education rather than free exchange of ideas (I saved the worst for last because this is my version of hell).

None of the jobs listed above are terrible, and they are wonderful and enriching for the right personality type, it just wasn't the best for me. The most important thing is to listen to what you don't want and what you want. Good luck and keep your head up!

According to one of the most advanced personality assessment research reports, ENTP's attention span is very short.

As a result, dealing with complex and conceptual projects will make ENTP bored and restless, causing you to disconnect from the process at hand and go looking for something else.

They should avoid jobs that are conceptual and theoretical.

While looking for a job, they should focus on jobs for which their mind gives a positive signal.

ENTP likes to work on things in their own independent way and therefore they often ignore social rules and expectations along the way.

This could get th

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According to one of the most advanced personality assessment research reports, ENTP's attention span is very short.

As a result, dealing with complex and conceptual projects will make ENTP bored and restless, causing you to disconnect from the process at hand and go looking for something else.

They should avoid jobs that are conceptual and theoretical.

While looking for a job, they should focus on jobs for which their mind gives a positive signal.

ENTP likes to work on things in their own independent way and therefore they often ignore social rules and expectations along the way.

This could get things done, but not everyone will agree.

So in this periphery, it is suggested that they should avoid the prospect of a type of work that has strict restrictions and rules.

They should show their interests in those kinds of jobs that are free and entertaining.

ENTP workplace behavior

ENTPs are often freethinkers in the workplace and can be successful in many areas as long as the work does not put too much effort into the routine.

In addition, they can be good leaders in new projects that test their ability to generate ideas.

As measured by MBTI, ENTP potential skills in engineering, human relations, and human systems.

They will quickly understand the politics of the institutions and will always focus on understanding the people within the system rather than telling them what to do.

No matter what your occupation, your personality will show extraordinary talent for every need, even in the most difficult situation.

Whenever they come across a challenge that can't be done, it just encourages them to say 'I can do it'.

STAY POSITIVE: Jeff Shih's Answer to What Are Good Career Options for ENTPs?

Do not engage in any type of work that requires you to:

  1. pay attention to many factors (for example, the specialist)
  2. know your place (e.g. soldier, spokesperson)
  3. prioritize goals (e.g. firefighter, producer)
  4. plan ahead (eg, real estate developer)
  5. work with protocols (e.g. surgeon, accountant, 道士)
  6. be a caregiver / disciplinarian (e.g. pastor, babysitter)


The order above ranges from avoid at all costs to avoid if possible. In other words, pursuing a career in stunts will probably kill you. Yet saving souls will only make you feel

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STAY POSITIVE: Jeff Shih's Answer to What Are Good Career Options for ENTPs?

Do not engage in any type of work that requires you to:

  1. pay attention to many factors (for example, the specialist)
  2. know your place (e.g. soldier, spokesperson)
  3. prioritize goals (e.g. firefighter, producer)
  4. plan ahead (eg, real estate developer)
  5. work with protocols (e.g. surgeon, accountant, 道士)
  6. be a caregiver / disciplinarian (e.g. pastor, babysitter)


The order above ranges from avoid at all costs to avoid if possible. In other words, pursuing a career in stunts will probably kill you. However, saving souls will only make you feel upset.

Since ENTPs don't seem to be able to do anything right, they usually rely on others to do it (that is, they create problems for others and jobs for the economy).

In short, the lower the salary, the less interesting the jobs are and, therefore, the worse for the ENTPs. So low-wage jobs like factory worker, janitor, waiter, etc., are not only bad, they are at least 10 times worse for ENTPs. I'd say anything higher than Electrician / Technician level is fine for ENTPs and once you hit Engineer / Graphic Designer salary level it's really good or ENTP. The only exceptions to this rule are teachers and accountants. The average salary for a teacher is somewhat low, but being a teacher is quite fun for an ENTP. And an accountant gets respectable salaries, but it's just a

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In short, the lower the salary, the less interesting the jobs are and, therefore, the worse for the ENTPs. So low-wage jobs like factory worker, janitor, waiter, etc., are not only bad, they are at least 10 times worse for ENTPs. I'd say anything higher than Electrician / Technician level is fine for ENTPs and once you hit Engineer / Graphic Designer salary level it's really good or ENTP. The only exceptions to this rule are teachers and accountants. The average salary for a teacher is somewhat low, but being a teacher is quite fun for an ENTP. And an accountant gets respectable salaries, but it's downright tedious.

ENTPs do best in project-oriented jobs that allow them to research and play with ideas, investigate and communicate new possibilities rather than drawing conclusions and judgments, and working with others rather than in isolation. Some guys prefer regulated and predictable jobs; ENTPs do not. Isobel Myers' book "Gifts Differing" charts the relative frequency of personality types in different professions. Of about 10 common jobs, the ones that attract the fewest ENTPs are law enforcement, school administration, and counseling.

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ENTPs do best in project-oriented jobs that allow them to research and play with ideas, investigate and communicate new possibilities rather than drawing conclusions and judgments, and working with others rather than in isolation. Some guys prefer regulated and predictable jobs; ENTPs do not. Isobel Myers' book "Gifts Differing" charts the relative frequency of personality types in different professions. Of about 10 common jobs, the ones that attract the fewest ENTPs are law enforcement, school administration, and counseling.

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Have you heard of Penelope Trunk? He currently runs a company called Quistic, whose purpose is to help people identify their ideal career options for their personality type. Quistic offers a variety of online courses.

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I have not taken a Quistic class, but I have taken other Penelope courses over the years and they are always very well done: practical, helpful, inspiring. Good luck!

We learn in many different ways, our MBTI does not dictate how we should learn. However, knowing what works for us naturally will help us learn more effectively.

ENTPs generally hate learning from a standardized template, following a procedure, and receiving detail after detail.

BUT, instead of asking others to care for us, which is technically impossible because we are all different, how can WE care for ourselves, so that we can learn better?

See the difference?

ENTPs are constantly full of ideas, jumping and bouncing around in their head, wondering if something makes sense or not.

Let's put this in the co

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We learn in many different ways, our MBTI does not dictate how we should learn. However, knowing what works for us naturally will help us learn more effectively.

ENTPs generally hate learning from a standardized template, following a procedure, and receiving detail after detail.

BUT, instead of asking others to care for us, which is technically impossible because we are all different, how can WE care for ourselves, so that we can learn better?

See the difference?

ENTPs are constantly full of ideas, jumping and bouncing around in their head, wondering if something makes sense or not.

Let's put this in the context of a typical academic subject on how to learn effectively,

  • Less is more. Focus on the message that the content is trying to present. The meaning and purpose. Not in the details.
  • Form the skeleton. Form a network or mind map of all the chapters. This is to build the foundation on which it is built, please enter your details.
  • Fill in the details. Once you know what is happening in a general sense, you can start filling in the details to clear all your doubts.
  • Produce your own theory. ENTPs are known for theory building. After doing the 3 above, they are able to theorize a method that focuses on efficiency, making use of loose details.
  • To experience. We are all different, so it is important not to limit yourself. Guidance is necessary, but don't be restricted by it.

The above is just for studying content. I'll move on to improve your environment.

  • Bursts of attention. Don't try to stay in the same place or position for hours. Your productivity level drops by the ton. Instead, focus on short bursts with breaks. For example, 1 to 2 hours of brainstorming / reading and moving on to something else related.
  • To diversify. By that I mean studying various topics on the same topic. Why? It won't bore you. For example, Economy. You can do theoretical studies and then move on to case studies after a short period.
  • Mix theory and application. ENTPs want things to make logical sense. Studying just for the sake of doing it will make you tremble. So look for an application in real life, also known as case studies.
  • Prepare a stress reliever for a getaway. ENTPs get bored Waayyyyy too easily. You need to have something to reach your maximum level of interest when necessary. For example, a book that has no relationship. Fitness routine. A friend to talk to.
  • Avoid wasting time. Excessive viewing of television series, videos, or any other type of entertainment that does not provide growth in learning will waste precious time. Assign those things to a minimum, but don't eliminate them entirely. It helps to spice up our life, but it does not revolve around it.

I guess these are the important tips I would share.

There are many other learning tools, such as the 3 learning styles, also known as visual, auditory, kinesthetic and memorization techniques.

I would suggest supplementing your learning with these techniques and tools.

I hope this helps,

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There really aren't any. I truly believe that being an ENTP is a challenge for the business world.

I once heard an unforgettable podcast from an mbti corporate proponent. He said that when he gives introductory presentations to small corporate groups, he asks the Entps to raise their hands and says, "everything is going to be fine."

For a long time this stuck with me. What he was saying didn't make much sense to me and it's still a bit confusing, but I'm starting to formulate my own ideas about entps in the corporate world and they justify that kind of comment.

The thing about Entps is that they are good at

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There really aren't any. I truly believe that being an ENTP is a challenge for the business world.

I once heard an unforgettable podcast from an mbti corporate proponent. He said that when he gives introductory presentations to small corporate groups, he asks the Entps to raise their hands and says, "everything is going to be fine."

For a long time this stuck with me. What he was saying didn't make much sense to me and it's still a bit confusing, but I'm starting to formulate my own ideas about entps in the corporate world and they justify that kind of comment.

The thing about Entps is that they are good at the beginning of things. Most people are bad at the beginning of things and get better as time goes on. So, at first, Entp gets praise for its early execution and success. People assume that early success will build on him.

When corporate workers see colleagues or reports fare worse over time, it is seen as an indication of impending total failure. For most people, it is an indicator that someone should be removed from the team.

The Entp will get worse over time and the ENTP will feel that if someone is paying attention, they "SHOULD" be fired. Entps may be upset that they are not being fired. The Entp Mays feel there is an obvious weakness in their team and they are. They start to see other people and think "wow, she would be great in my role." They will literally start recruiting people to take over their work.

When the average worker does something like this, it is an effort to complete their role, and FOLLOWS a period of time during which the worker has found a new role for themselves. The Entp does this before finding a new role for himself. It feels like what has to happen: make the project successful, remove the weak link, be that weak link me or my brother or my favorite teammate or whatever.

This is not behavior that results in healthy professional development for entps.

It is also the case that Entp is underestimating the benefits of mediating in the muddy environment and simply doing a poor job for years, and overestimating the extent to which they really are a weak link. Some of the things that an Entp does as easily as breathing ARE NOT POSSIBLE for other corporate workers, like pulling out your personal ideology and examining a complex scenario. The Entp is basically able to see how the corporate strategy will succeed or fail long before the intp has run all of its iterative lean tests. It can be exhausting being so right all the time but not having a way to monetize it. But it happens that the people on the team appreciate Entp's ideas and, I mean, I guess over time, people are starting to realize that he was right about all the product problems we've had and I knew about it 8 months ago. I try not to rub them in the face because that's not the point, but when you're just as mediocre at the job you've been assigned, like me, and so fucking good at the top level, the perception of how the strategy will play out. You are constantly anxious about being so useless in every way that you give a paycheck and so helpful in these ways that everyone overlooks.

Or seems to be overlooked. Maybe the reason they keep the Entp is because of these things. The vision. But you don't know how to monetize it. They don't know how to pay you for it. So this awkward dance of being brilliant at strategy and tragically bad at whatever, following procedures or writing reports on time or handling client requests that are wrong requests or working with clients that are the wrong / non-strategic clients and always will be. , so awkward The dance leaves Entp feeling the whole time that he should be fired. Or made to be ceo or something.

I think this weird, awkward and cramped place is the only long-term sustainable place for an Entp and you can't find it in any job description. It's like relying on working on a team that can handle that awkward dance too.

If you've ever been told by a boss that you "really suck" at your job and then you ask for a raise for yourself, then this is probably the right team. Be it sales, product management, finance or whatever. It's about finding the right boss and team.

It's just a bit of shit.

There are other options. You can work in a grocery store and spend less money. You can be left homeless. You can find partners and try to undertake. Good luck. We can all hope that an apocalyptic scenario will make the world interesting again and return us to that more natural state for the Entp where real problems need approximate solutions quickly, and we are all fine dying at 50.

I'll start with the worst.

An ENTP cannot bear the contradiction. They become condescending, they hate when people constantly victimize themselves, they don't like overly sensitive people who have a right to themselves, they hate those who don't express their thoughts or feelings, and they cheat for personal gain and a false sense of pride. . When any of that happens, an ENTP becomes very argumentative and direct and will relentlessly catch you and put you at your lowest point for being one of those traits towards them. They will not tolerate it because they seek honesty and truth and learning in a constructive way.

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I'll start with the worst.

An ENTP cannot bear the contradiction. They become condescending, they hate when people constantly victimize themselves, they don't like overly sensitive people who have a right to themselves, they hate those who don't express their thoughts or feelings, and they cheat for personal gain and a false sense of pride. . When any of that happens, an ENTP becomes very argumentative and direct and will relentlessly catch you and put you at your lowest point for being one of those traits towards them. They will not tolerate it because they seek honesty and truth and learning in a constructive way that will help themselves and everyone else.

As for the best ...

ENTPs are idealists and seek ideas from others. They feed off the opinions of others to improve on pre-existing ideas they have had or even completely change their own ideas and follow someone else's idea. ENTPs need logic. They cannot function (no pun intended) without logic. They want people to be critical of them, to be honest in showing them the right ways to think and act, etc. They expect it and will appreciate it as long as it's not done in a spiteful way, of course. Once that happens, they will go over it with another person and reevaluate themselves and judge with the other person and conclude whether they need to change for the better or not. They are open like this. ENTPs can be charming and go out of their way to avoid hurting people's feelings. They don't want to involve their feelings when they have to comfort a friend by solving a problem. They would rather do that than offer emotional support and be someone who listens to someone vent. It does not produce results for them, it is not efficient. They always want to help because it involves analyzing and brainstorming, which they love to do on a regular basis.

I don't know if I missed anything, this was all I could name because I was basically using myself and the ENTPs that I have observed for reference.

For the sake of good writing, I'll tell you the auction right away and then the story. Do not worry. I'll repeat it where it originally fit.

The thing that got me going and kept me there for thirty years: variety of tasks!

I am ENTP. When Otto Kroeger led the workshop where I answered the questionnaire and learned the system, he gave us a blank grid with the four dimensions, each pair at opposite ends of a horizontal line. While explaining each dimension (introvert, extrovert, etc.) he said: “Put an x ​​in the place on that line where you think you are compared to the other people you know.

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For the sake of good writing, I'll tell you the auction right away and then the story. Do not worry. I'll repeat it where it originally fit.

The thing that got me going and kept me there for thirty years: variety of tasks!

I am ENTP. When Otto Kroeger led the workshop where I answered the questionnaire and learned the system, he gave us a blank grid with the four dimensions, each pair at opposite ends of a horizontal line. While explaining each dimension (introvert, extrovert, etc.), he said, "Put an x ​​in the place on that line where you think you are compared to other people you know." I was very glad that when we opened the envelopes with our results, my self-assessment was almost perfect for each trait.

One of the biggest risks of ENTPs is distraction. Changing jobs and avoiding boredom can affect a career.

I was a bit depressed right after graduating from college. I had quite an interesting string of entry-level jobs in chemical research companies, but decided to pursue an advanced degree in anthropology. That was after starting as a chemistry student and finishing with a BA in English literature.

It didn't seem like an indecision to me. I wanted to do science to learn how the world worked. After having done well at first, I ran into a massive role model failure among chemists I was meeting. Mostly hopeless nerds. I did not identify myself. He was already a rock musician who worked with a lot of girlfriends, a love of writing, and a habit of chatting with people all day for the fun of it. I just didn't see my future role in the jobs of chemistry teachers or graduates.

I decided that great literature is where I would learn how the world works. Seniors changed. He took a bunch of literary courses and came to the conclusion that the great authors of literature don't really know or care much about how the world works. They are commentators of color with the ability to create realistic characters and put them through a lot of pain and crisis. But they don't really understand everything in an analytical way.

So, reviewing: exceeded hard science, then overcorrected to art / literature, then tried to get to the middle in anthropology. He spent nine years in graduate school, finished a bachelor's degree, wrote a thesis and subsequent work that garnered three offers and two royal publications in prestigious magazines. But, he had decided that the den theory was rubbish too. That was the subject of my thesis. He was a good rocker in the tiny world of people studying interdisciplinary scientific models. But it was my farewell to the academy.

This is what got me going and kept me there for thirty years: variety of tasks!

Yes. Entry-level jobs are highly supervised and tend to be repetitive or procedural. That was a bad combination with my appetite for intellectual stimulation and excitement. I finally came to a company that was so wildly ambitious, so underfunded, and so fraught with complex problems and communication challenges that it cost me everything I had to put in a credible day of work. I looked around and, unlike in the academy, these crazy, brilliant people didn't parade down the halls for a hobby. They were shoveling as fast as they could to get something to justify the next round of funding before the available $ 30 million was exhausted.

The situation constantly stretched my analytical thinking and communication skills. He was talking to brilliant scientists, but he was used to that after seven years at two previous companies. The problems were how to do this and that for the first time by a human being. I felt privileged to be there pulling my paddle to keep the company viable through milestone after milestone.

Opportunities kept popping up because I loved constant problem solving; he could read, write, speak and listen and did not have a bad temper. At the end of that career, I was a senior vice president reporting to the CEO of an S&P 500. We brought more than 20 new prescription pharmaceuticals to market with just about a thousand people and created the field of controlled delivery: eye, forms of intrauterine, oral and transdermal dosing.

If you want a recommendation from my experience: Use whatever criteria you think you should use to compare job opportunities, but always ask yourself which one looks like it will offer the most variety of long-term assignments. That way, you won't be fighting your ENTP nature and your communication skills will create upward mobility.

Oh, and try to steer clear of the railing with the wise comments, okay? I know it's hard to do, but it will help others decide in your favor when a great new opportunity presents itself.

Physical!

Academic, full of lectures, great, international contributor, mind-blowing physics full of low salaries, long hours, people with the most golden hearts you've ever met, and challenges that will never leave you bored.

It was not an easy choice, when I was younger I was constantly switching between art, writing, journalism, art history, engineering, astronomy and good money in IT and all had their own advantages.

Physics differ by field and application and different people tend to travel to different areas of the field. I would risk saying that the "crazy" and experimental p

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Physical!

Academic, full of lectures, great, international contributor, mind-blowing physics full of low salaries, long hours, people with the most golden hearts you've ever met, and challenges that will never leave you bored.

It was not an easy choice, when I was younger I was constantly switching between art, writing, journalism, art history, engineering, astronomy and good money in IT and all had their own advantages.

Physics differ by field and application and different people tend to travel to different areas of the field. I would venture to say that the "crazy" and experimental part attracts most of the ENTP, so particle physics, quantum computing, antimatter physics, laser physics - anything that is really abstract, fun and make things explode from time to time.

Going through the typical characteristics of an ENTP and the physics, I think I could see those pros and cons:

Pros:

  1. Lifelong Learning: When you do science, you can never stop. Every two months, every two years you work on something else, who knows, maybe in a decade you will specialize in a field that you didn't even know existed when you were studying? It's enough to keep ENTP's minds busy, challenged, and even overwhelmed most of the time.
  2. Lectures and Collaboration: Being an extrovert who loves to speak and present is a huge asset in science. Traveling to all parts of the world to speak, present, find funds and new connections is a very important part of any research and in a field full of INTP and INTJ, being the person who can connect with others easily and loves presentations becomes in the part that scientists tend to hate the best part of the job for ENTPs.
  3. Independence - It doesn't matter if you work at a university, a large collaboration, or a smaller institute, you are usually the only person truly responsible for your career, work, and plans. I structure my own days, I work in the morning or in the middle of the night. Sometimes I work 3 hours. Sometimes 13 hours. I plan my own path and my own work. It is only possible, it is absolutely necessary in this type of work.
  4. People: In my experience, science is full of happy, honest, adorably shy, curious, tolerant people with hearts of gold. They keep up with the ENTP's sense of humor, fall squarely into this narrow field that earns ENTP loyalty and respect, can teach the ENTP hard work, discipline, and focus, and at the end of the day, they are a safe space made of NT. .

Cons:

  1. Get in: Starting your science path through a college degree (and then another and another and another) is a marathon. It requires a lot of things that don't come naturally to ENTPs like repetition, long hours of study, reading, coding. There is so much to learn over such a long period of time that the ENTP way of simply improvising no longer works. You just have to get out of your comfort zone and learn to do things regularly. Good news: it's possible and it's something ENTP would struggle with on any other path in life.
  2. Practical Problems: There are many things to consider for anyone seeking a career in science. The study is very long and never really ends. There are some high paying jobs there, but it is a norm. You will probably have to move around the world a lot after your work or field of study (vacancy for pion production in Jakarta? I'm coming!). You will be working on a very, very small part of a larger puzzle, and it will get frustrating at times. You can take an extra night and burn out. But then, I think all races have things like that.
  3. Loneliness and demotivation: While conferences and workshops are where ENTP thrives, most of the work is sitting in your office, staring at the screen and answering questions on Quora rather than writing your article. There is a lot of work to do alone. There are many outposts or positions that will make you travel outside of your network of supportive friends to new cultures or just to very distant places (writing from above the polar circle here, so forgive my sadness). There are times when this work feels isolated and really cuts off ENTP's need for someone else to push the first stone of the onslaught of motivation. But there are many physicists working in the same place for decades, there are even more physicists with children and family members, and there are many ways to fix it by staying active.

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