Is there a hidden deal between Joe Biden (Western European leaders included) and Erdogan to keep Afghan refugees in Turkey? If so, how much bribery money is he spending here?

Updated on : January 21, 2022 by Rhys Rollins



Is there a hidden deal between Joe Biden (Western European leaders included) and Erdogan to keep Afghan refugees in Turkey? If so, how much bribery money is he spending here?

I can't tell if it's hidden. It wouldn't be hidden if it knew, but you would too, so you wouldn't have to ask this question. If you expect me to speculate that you would rather not, we have enough. But I can reason that Erdogan and his cronies are involved in all kinds of shady transactions (gray money, black money, cookbooks and all) to keep the country afloat, so what is one more?

I do not believe it. There is no love lost between the two. In fact, one of the best things Biden did was stand up to Erdogan and his arrogant manners and actions. I think Biden doesn't even have a plan for the refugees yet. He also didn't have one for evacuation.

Joe has agreed to eat turkey for Thanksgiving. He doesn't care who knows. No bribery involved! LOL

I don't know about the deal, but look and see how many hunter paintings Turkey has bought recently.

That will give you a good idea of ​​how much bribery money you are looking at.

Obviously, Europe does not want more Afghans and / or Syrians. Iran does not accept refugees or Russia, leaving us with only one option: Turkey. However, I don't know about the money, but Turkey recently got a loan from the IMF, maybe that was part of the deal.

Yes, and I say YES, such a 'secret' agreement exists. . . . and someone says they know everything, it would no longer be a "secret" agreement, would it?

Europe has given billions to Erdogan Rejime for the maintenance of Syrian refugees.

I really don't know if Erdogan and Biden have a deal, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

You know as much as I do. How could I know? I don't know any world leaders. Not one.

The Biden administration evacuated the military to fulfill a commitment the Trump administration made to the Taliban to withdraw troops by May. Trump did not negotiate any reciprocal obligations on the part of the Taliban; he basically gave up and got nothing in return.

The world is anxiously watching the progress of Dunkirk in the 21st century as the United States, Canada, Germany and other NATO countries conduct what will likely be the largest airlift in history. Pictured is a US Air Force C-17 heavy lift transport plane carrying refugees from the airport in Kabul, Afghanistan.

As for why I am answering

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The Biden administration evacuated the military to fulfill a commitment the Trump administration made to the Taliban to withdraw troops by May. Trump did not negotiate any reciprocal obligations on the part of the Taliban; he basically gave up and got nothing in return.

The world is anxiously watching the progress of Dunkirk in the 21st century as the United States, Canada, Germany and other NATO countries conduct what will likely be the largest airlift in history. Pictured is a US Air Force C-17 heavy lift transport plane carrying refugees from the airport in Kabul, Afghanistan.

As for why I am answering this question, let me briefly tell you that I was at Bagram Airfield and sponsored two of the Afghans I worked with to come to North America through the SIV (Special Immigration Visa) process. .

The first one was accepted and arrived here, thank God, in 2017. He has a wife and four small children and they are doing very well. We talk often.

The other, however, was left in limbo by the election of Trump, who suspended all work on the SIVs and left my other friend and his 26-year-old brother (also an SIV applicant), stranded.

I look forward to it and fearful, and I pray that they can avoid being identified by the Taliban and somehow make it to the airport and catch a plane.

Suffice it to say "I have a dog in the fight" and I want to help people understand how we got here, the best I understand it.

Kabul Airport is located on the northern edge of the city. The Taliban have set up checkpoints throughout the city, harassing and sometimes beating people trying to get to the airport and generally making it as difficult for people to get out.

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As for when to withdraw civilians and close the embassy, ​​Biden consulted with the Afghan government, which was alarmed at the prospect of the United States' departure. They feared panic if the United States began to withdraw its civilians and request that civilians come out last. The United States complied.

The reasoning was as follows: Kabul and the Kabul airport would remain under the control of the Afghan government, under the protection of a large and well-armed Afghan army. There was no reason for the civilians to have to leave before the military.

Now, here's the problem: The president doesn't make the million-dollar decisions of the US government alone, although he takes responsibility for all of them, as Biden has.

In this case, he has the most sophisticated intelligence apparatus in the world to advise him. And intelligence services assured him that the Afghan government would hold out long enough for the United States to conduct its airlift in an orderly fashion and remove everyone.

Obviously they were wrong. The Taliban stormed the country and reached Kabul in less than a week. The entire world has been shocked by the domino-like collapse of the Afghan army, which essentially laid down its arms in waves and left the Afghan president flee the country.

I think President Biden was justified in turning to his intelligence services for practical advice. That is their job.

They advised him that the Afghan army would stop or slow down the Taliban long enough for the United States to withdraw everyone behind the shield they would provide.

Why did the people at Intel get so wrong?

The Taliban have shown incredible and incredible brutality for 20 years. I used to see the security reports, and every day, another pair of mayors, police chiefs or teachers in the village would have been murdered.

Two of them were heading to the victim's door on a motorcycle, then shooting him and driving away without touching them. Sometimes they stormed a police station or went down to a checkpoint and killed everyone they found in command.

The new schools and clinics built by the Coalition would be burned shortly after being handed over to the local community.

The West's miscalculation has much to do with the contradiction between the apparent desire of most Afghans to improve the lives of their children and their reluctance to defend that desire. Puzzling in a nation that has thrown out better invaders than the Taliban. One suspects that it won't be long before the Taliban discover that Jihad is on the other foot.

"Night letters" would appear on the doors, promising to execute those who help the Coalition or the government.

It seemed that they had no idea how to rule, only how to destroy what others tried to do that could bring knowledge, ideas, and contact with the outside world. They just wanted to enjoy all the privileges of a life of absolute power at the expense of their compatriots. (Under the guise of religious devotion, of course).

How is this relevant? Because it largely explains the surrender of the Army.

  1. To be sure, the soldiers heard extremely quickly that the Taliban were massacring the troops who surrendered to them after they had resisted. They understood that their resistance could also lead to their families being persecuted. (A murder under the old code of honor could lead to the entire family of the victim being executed to prevent children or siblings from killing their relatives.)
  2. Furthermore, there is limited loyalty to Afghanistan as a nation. Most people, when asked what their nationality is, do not answer "Afghan". Instead, they give their ethnic group. This includes the Army, so forging national pride and a national identity was problematic.
  3. Finally, the nation has a history dating back centuries of resistance to foreign invaders. Both the British and the Russians paid the price for trying to occupy it. The Coalition, despite their benefits, were foreigners, so some soldiers surely found it difficult to fight their fellow Afghans on their behalf.
  4. America's withdrawal, including air power, left the Army feeling abandoned. The Taliban felt like an inexorable force and resisting them as a lost cause.

Combine all of this with maybe dying, and you've got a recipe for ... well, what happened.

Resistance to the Taliban is already forming around Afghanistan. After 20 years of freedom from the bloody and oppressive regime of religious extremists, Afghans are unlikely to quietly return to the dungeon the Taliban are preparing for the nation. It seems they must do this in their own way.

Why did the Biden administration go the route it took? Because

  1. Trump left Biden stuck with executing a unilateral withdrawal or facing a new attack and a prolonged bloody war,
  2. the Afghan government asked Biden to leave the civilians for last so as not to destabilize the government, and
  3. Intel services informed Biden that the Afghan government would stick, and he accepted their recommendation rather than questioning its experts.

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Recall the statements of former President Trump about President Erdogan and Turkey during his election campaign before he became president of the United States: “Fundamentalists run the office in Ankara. We need that .... "Most of the media predicted a serious confrontation between the United States and Turkey. In fact, there have been a couple of clashes (the Pastor case, Trump's negative statements caused the Turkish lira to collapse, the Trump letter etc) But the Trump Administration became the most pro-Turkey government in the US, since the time of President George Bush (the father).

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Recall the statements of former President Trump about President Erdogan and Turkey during his election campaign before he became president of the United States: “Fundamentalists run the office in Ankara. We need that .... "Most of the media predicted a serious confrontation between the United States and Turkey. In fact, there have been a couple of clashes (the Pastor case, Trump's negative statements caused the Turkish lira to collapse, the Trump letter etc) But the Trump Administration became the most pro-Turkey government in the US, since the time of President George Bush (the father).

No one blamed President Trump for not keeping his words and being a staunch supporter of Erdogan and an ally of Turkey. Why? Because former President Trump did what was best for the interests of the United States within the guidelines of his policies.

Let me clarify what President Biden meant about "the opposition" when he made such statements (several times) during his election campaign. He was referring to supporting the Kurds. Why? Because: Most Americans were unhappy when the United States did nothing while Turkey moved into Syria and attacked the Kurdish YPG. The American public is not aware that a) the YPG is built on the backbone of the PKK, b) the PKK is a Marxist organization, c) that the United States needed a non-NATO force in Syria to fight ISIS in order to avoid a Russia-NATO Clash, and YPG was a temporary measure for that. Most Americans believed that "the Kurds" were allies of the United States against ISIS and that Turkey attacked them. Presidential candidate Biden (then) saw this and used it to his advantage by stating that he would support the Kurds against Turkey / Erdogan. The statements were material for local political consumption in the US, pointing to the votes in the elections, nothing more. Personally, I do not expect any change in the position of the United States against the PKK or the YPG. The Biden administration will surely treat the PKK as a terrorist organization and will likely keep the YPG close at hand, to fight ISIS or any other potential Muslim terrorists in the region, when necessary. I do not expect any change in the position of the United States against the PKK or the YPG. The Biden administration will surely treat the PKK as a terrorist organization and will likely keep the YPG close at hand, to fight ISIS or any other potential Muslim terrorists in the region, when necessary. I do not expect any change in the position of the United States against the PKK or the YPG. The Biden administration will surely treat the PKK as a terrorist organization and will likely keep the YPG close at hand, to fight ISIS or any other potential Muslim terrorists in the region, when necessary.

President Erdogan is a conservative politician. Former President Trump was, too. They had similar worldviews then. However, President Biden is a liberal politician. His view of the world will not coincide with that of President Erdogan. But that will not determine the relationship between the United States and Turkey. The United States will do what is in its best interests, and so will Turkey. As President Biden would likely be supporting a strong NATO and supporting the US presence in the Middle East, he is unlikely to take action to alienate Turkey.

A politician in the United States took the opposite position from his rival during the election campaign and addressed the "perceived" sentiments of the American public in favor of "the Kurds." Nothing new under the sun. Nothing to be taken seriously without evidence of future actions.

The only way out is through.

The reality of the situation is that despite all the stances and 20/20 hindsight, getting out of Afghanistan was always going to be a shitty sandwich, and it was always going to cause (short-term) political pain for any administration that gave the first bite. At the end of the day, Americans hate admitting they lost * to the dark people they consider inferior to them, and they're always going to resent the president who had the good sense to make it official.

* = "Lost", "20 years of pointless stagnation" ... whatever the hell you want to call it, we didn't achieve any of the most important goals we saw.

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The only way out is through.

The reality of the situation is that despite all the stances and 20/20 hindsight, getting out of Afghanistan was always going to be a shitty sandwich, and it was always going to cause (short-term) political pain for any administration that gave the first bite. At the end of the day, Americans hate admitting they lost * to the dark people they consider inferior to them, and they're always going to resent the president who had the good sense to make it official.

* = "Lost", "20 years of mindless stagnation" ... whatever the hell you want to call it, we didn't achieve any of the most important goals we set out to achieve. We got Bin Laden ... doing a sting operation in Pakistan. We demoted Al Qadea in Afghanistan and it emerged in a dozen other countries as a huge geopolitical hit-a-mole game. And don't even get me started on our attempts to build a nation and force the Afghan people to live with the leaders we anointed as winners.

OF COURSE Republicans are now going to pretend that Trump had the perfect plan and that everything would have worked out if he had been in charge, but anyone who hasn't been writing checks to Dad from his retirement savings for the past year while he waits The Top Secret MyPillow-type Voter Fraud Evidence knows that's nonsense - Trump's "plan" was to tell the Taliban they could smash the place as long as they didn't shoot any Americans in the process. So right now, the Taliban are doing what Trump told them they could do, and when given a choice between responding and escalation, or going to hell, Biden is choosing to finish dating.

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