Does Illegal Immigration Hurt American Workers?

Updated on : December 8, 2021 by Malcolm Washington



Does Illegal Immigration Hurt American Workers?

It is difficult to assess, as we cannot just eliminate 11 million people and measure the effects. The net change in your presence is a small net advantage to the economy; Most Americans don't want to do the jobs they do at the price they are willing to do. When US farm owners advertise $ 20 an hour picking jobs, Americans don't even respond; The result is that without the illegals, only some of their jobs would be carried out; It would make more sense for lettuce to be grown in Mexico and imported if illegals weren't around, since American farm owners can't afford what Americans insist on being p

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It is difficult to assess, as we cannot just eliminate 11 million people and measure the effects. The net change in your presence is a small net advantage to the economy; Most Americans don't want to do the jobs they do at the price they are willing to do. When US farm owners advertise $ 20 an hour picking jobs, Americans don't even respond; The result is that without the illegals, only some of their jobs would be carried out; It would make more sense to grow lettuce in Mexico and import it if illegals weren't around, since American farm owners can't afford what Americans insist on being pickers. Many of the jobs they do would disappear;

However, at the lower end there is some competition for high school dropout jobs where jobs would not disappear; calculating which is not easy. Some chicken processing plants, for example, would continue to exist but with lower profits; others would retire because they cannot make a profit unless they pay employees little.

Just to give an anecdotal example, when I moved to Los Angeles in the early 1980s, I was working in a building where 90% of the janitors were African American; in the 2000s, 90% were Latino. I don't know what percentage was perfectly legal, nor do I know what percentage of the children of African Americans had moved up the job pyramid to higher-paying jobs, but it suggests that some were supplanted.

Does Illegal Immigration Hurt American Workers?

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Illegal Immigrant Hurts American Workers Massively

Legal immigration is a net benefit, but illegal immigrants simply undermine American workers in terms of wages, as well as safety and conditions.

Without those workers, employers would have to use the "free market" and pay American workers the required wage for the job.

Illegal immigrants are a massive benefit to their employers, who also own the Republican Party, which is why the very simple process that other advanced countries use is not used in the US.

Big fines and jail you

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Does Illegal Immigration Hurt American Workers?

He does bear shit in the woods !!

Illegal Immigrant Hurts American Workers Massively

Legal immigration is a net benefit, but illegal immigrants simply undermine American workers in terms of wages, as well as safety and conditions.

Without those workers, employers would have to use the "free market" and pay American workers the required wage for the job.

Illegal immigrants are a massive benefit to their employers, who also own the Republican Party, which is why the very simple process that other advanced countries use is not used in the US.

Large fines and jail time for EMPLOYERS

Only if they are hired.

Places that don't use E-Verify like to hire these people because they have almost total control over them, a kind of modern take on slavery. Low wages, no benefits, no health services.

Ask yourself which party fails year after year to order or improve E-Verify. We voted in 124 days folks, consider removing criminals from power.

It hurts more than wages and the economy. It encourages disrespect for the law. It is this general lack of respect that is responsible for the riots, crime in general.

There have been a lot of studies done on this and it definitely cuts down on wages. This really affects people at the lower end of the pay scale.

No.

This question appears to be a new post from several years ago; an old Trumpublican talking point based on blatant falsehoods. However, now is the time to set an excellent example:

Meatpacking plants in the United States are idle and thousands of workers (mostly foreign) have been disabled by a disease that swept through those factories. President Donald Trump has declared that these food factories are essential and that they must remain open.

Trump orders meat plants to stay open as worker deaths rise

These factories are located in the heart of Trump country: Iowa, Nebraska, South Dakota

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No.

This question appears to be a new post from several years ago; an old Trumpublican talking point based on blatant falsehoods. However, now is the time to set an excellent example:

Meatpacking plants in the United States are idle and thousands of workers (mostly foreign) have been disabled by a disease that swept through those factories. President Donald Trump has declared that these food factories are essential and that they must remain open.

Trump orders meat plants to stay open as worker deaths rise

These factories are located in the heart of Trump's country: Iowa, Nebraska, South Dakota, Colorado ... Any of those patriotic Trump supporters who defied stay-at-home orders to demonstrate their desire to reopen the economy last week You can step up and do these important jobs now.

No tenant? …No?

These jobs are dirty and dangerous. The jobs don't require a lot of training, but you have to be very good at keeping up. This is hard manual work. The pay is very low. There are no benefits to speak of. There are (mostly) no unions. There is not enough personal protective equipment for everyone. If you are injured or ill, there will be no "Obamacare" for you.

Across the United States, hard and low-paying jobs, menial jobs, dangerous and dirty jobs, jobs without benefits or health care, without workplace protection, have been done by foreign workers: planting and harvesting; Milky cows; work in meat, poultry and seafood processing plants; restaurants and hotels; gardening and tree pruning; care of children and the elderly; ...

All of these jobs were never "taken away." They have always been there, and any American citizen can have one of these jobs just by asking. There really have been the same number of these jobs available and they are not going away. They have not been "taken away."

The people who do these jobs do not "lower wages."

The Impact of Immigration on the Wages of Unskilled Workers


Where are jobs really being "taken away"?

American jobs are being lost to automation, which increases productivity and reduces the number of people required to produce any product and deliver it to market.

Millions of jobs have been lost due to automation. Economists Say What To Do About It

American jobs are being lost to international competition because transportation costs to deliver commodities and manufactured goods across the ocean are low, and that makes the lower cost of goods made by foreign manufacturing companies more attractive. .

Outsourcing Abroad and Its Effect on the US Economy

American jobs are being lost because capitalists are not investing in the same traditional factories that were exclusively American a century ago: Americans have not built the most modern and efficient steel mills, the modern and efficient chemical factories, the modern and efficient machinery; compared to other nations that make higher capital investments in their heavy industry.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/indiana/articles/2020-02-01/experts-say-old-infrastructure-is-hurting-us-steel-mills

Jobs are being lost in the United States because the current government has been actively working to limit access to universal public education and replace it with religious-based and anti-science private schools, while other countries increase their commitment to education.

Betsy DeVos: The Billionaire Republican Who Destroys Public Education

So-called "illegal immigrants" are not "taking American jobs." There are other forces at work that have nothing to do with foreign workers.

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As others say, there is no way to stop illegal immigration completely. Other nations (eg Singapore, where illegals are subject to arrest, flogging, and deportation in that order) have far more draconian rules than the United States, and cannot yet "stop" them.

So let's put aside the idea that it can be stopped and answer the real, implicit question of how to narrow it down to a small, manageable problem.

IMHO, the overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants to the US come to the US not to commit crime, drug smuggling, or government sponges. Of course there are some who do these th

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As others say, there is no way to stop illegal immigration completely. Other nations (eg Singapore, where illegals are subject to arrest, flogging, and deportation in that order) have far more draconian rules than the United States, and cannot yet "stop" them.

So let's put aside the idea that it can be stopped and answer the real, implicit question of how to narrow it down to a small, manageable problem.

IMHO, the overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants to the US come to the US not to commit crime, drug smuggling, or government sponges. Of course, there are some who do these things (some, all), but I suspect that it is a fairly small minority.

The reason why most of the illegals come falls into two categories:

  1. They come to join relatives already living in the U.S. (Some legally, some illegally)
  2. They come looking for a job that pays them better than what they get at home, or has better working conditions, or both.

For the first point, I suppose the problem could be eliminated simply by facilitating family reunification. If one is a legal citizen, make it easy for the immediate family (children, parents, unmarried siblings) to join them. Of course, there are problems with this, such as the often-cited "chain" migration, but if we allow family members to meet with the explicit requirement that they be 100% sponsored (no "free" health benefits, for example), then perhaps it would encourage people to become citizens rather than foreigners, strengthen ties with our nation, and reduce the problem.

For the second, I suggest that setting VERY HIGH fines, if not criminal penalties, on people who knowingly hire workers without proper papers would quickly reduce the demand for illegal workers. We already have, for example, systems to check the status of job seekers; simply enforcing these rules strictly would deter most illegal immigration.

But if we are honest, Americans in many cases really want illegal workers in the economy; they believe this reduces costs for them. Certainly, the big companies that give money to the Republican Party have no interest in stopping the flow of cheap, docile workers.

So the problem is never solved.

It is commonly said that illegal immigrants perform jobs that Americans would not do (under any circumstance and for any salary). Is this true?

No, it sucks. I can't buy a new BMW for $ 5,000. That doesn't mean there is a shortage of BMW.

I've been to Japan, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, and Ireland. What do these countries have in common?

  1. They are all advanced first world economies.
  2. They are all island nations, without land borders.
  3. Because they are islands it is not easy, and in the case of New Zealand and Japan it is basically impossible to flood their labor markets with large numbers of illegals.
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It is commonly said that illegal immigrants perform jobs that Americans would not do (under any circumstance and for any salary). Is this true?

No, it sucks. I can't buy a new BMW for $ 5,000. That doesn't mean there is a shortage of BMW.

I've been to Japan, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, and Ireland. What do these countries have in common?

  1. They are all advanced first world economies.
  2. They are all island nations, without land borders.
  3. Because they are islands it is not easy, and in the case of New Zealand and Japan it is basically impossible, to flood their labor markets with large numbers of illegal immigrants from failed drug states.
  4. All these countries manage to feed themselves. The crops are not allowed to rot in the fields. Supermarkets don't sit idle because the food in them is too expensive for local people to buy.
  5. Construction also happens. Houses and offices are built. Lawns and gardens are not left unmaintained and unguarded.

So when I hear that the US economy cannot function without illegals, I know that someone has ulterior motives (usually myopia and greed) and is lying, or that the people who run the US construction, agriculture, and processing industries of food are exceptionally incompetent.

  1. The United States does not have an unlimited number of jobs.
  2. The US should prioritize citizens, green card holders, non-residents first, then illegals for jobs / schools / universities / welfare / etc.
  3. There is a DACA program for children who were illegally brought to the US and want to work or study in the US legally.
  4. There was a bill called the augmentation bill that would allow for faster green cards and an easier immigration process, but it was never passed.
  5. It is not easy to get bills passed in the Senate, most bills die, therefore nothing is done.
  6. Illegal immigrants have broken the law, they need to be deported / jailed / expelled from the
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  1. The United States does not have an unlimited number of jobs.
  2. The US should prioritize citizens, green card holders, non-residents first, then illegals for jobs / schools / universities / welfare / etc.
  3. There is a DACA program for children who were illegally brought to the US and want to work or study in the US legally.
  4. There was a bill called the augmentation bill that would allow for faster green cards and an easier immigration process, but it was never passed.
  5. It is not easy to get bills passed in the Senate, most bills die, therefore nothing is done.
  6. Illegal immigrants have broken the law and need to be deported / jailed / expelled from the US If illegal immigrants face a human rights violation, an immediate life threat, then they can apply for asylum status. However, refugees do not choose which countries they emigrate to.
  7. There are millions of people waiting for permanent residency approval, what about them?
  8. The US population is growing rapidly, so they don't need immigrants to fill the population gap. But they need immigrants to fill the labor shortage. However, most jobs can be outsourced for a lower salary.
  9. LOL just LOL.
  10. If anything about immigrating to the US or any country in the world will only get harder, be it really smart, or really rich or both. Otherwise, your home country is probably not so bad. The UK has made Brexit, immigration to Europe is inactive, Canada / AUS are not easy to emigrate.
  11. Immigration is a privilege, not a right. There are many countries in the Gulf / Asia where it is impossible to immigrate. So why should the United States offer them citizenship?
  12. Also the United States "is not all sunshine and rainbows." There is a lot of silent racism. It is very difficult to get permanent residence. Really difficult to assimilate. The quality of life is good but the cost of living is really high. Also, you must be smart to survive here. Sure there are more opportunities but, if you are a minority, you will always be misrepresented. This is not true for most people, but what I have personally experienced.
  13. People want millions of things in life, but life is not fair. I learned it the hard way. There will be millions of people who will want to immigrate to the US So ……

PS: I am an immigrant and I think about these things all the time. I can only pray for a better future.

When Americans talk about losing jobs to illegals. They do not refer to your ordinary unskilled work, such as grape picker, slaughterhouse worker, or other simple agricultural or menial jobs. Jobs that are normally associated with undocumented workers.

Those are jobs that have historically been filled by the undocumented lower class who normally work here on a seasonal basis.

What they are referring to is the many other semi-skilled jobs performed by UW that work here permanently under the radar.

The competition is between the UW and ordinary Americans in semi-skilled / skilled jobs such as bricklayer, plumber, electrician,

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When Americans talk about losing jobs to illegals. They do not refer to your ordinary unskilled work, such as grape picker, slaughterhouse worker, or other simple agricultural or menial jobs. Jobs that are normally associated with undocumented workers.

Those are jobs that have historically been filled by the undocumented lower class who normally work here on a seasonal basis.

What they are referring to is the many other semi-skilled jobs performed by UW that work here permanently under the radar.

The competition is between UW and ordinary Americans in semi-skilled / skilled jobs like bricklayer, plumber, electrician, heavy equipment operators, and many, many more.

The problem lies in the fact that most undocumented workers will do the required work for a considerably cheaper rate of pay than what a US citizen would or could do.

And be happy to do so!

In most cases, from the perspective of the University of Washington, that mediocre salary is still far more than they could expect to receive for that same skill set in their home countries. Which naturally brings them here.

If I can earn $ 2 an hour laying bricks in Guatemala, or $ 18 an hour here being undocumented. It's a no-brainer as to where it would go.

The American bricklayer receives $ 25 an hour (estimate). The UW receives $ 10, the bricklayer in Central America receives $ 2 per hour.

As an employer. Who gets the job, the $ 10 or the $ 25?

It is not brain surgery. Employers are analyzing their results and trying to stay competitive. The cheapest and easiest way to stay competitive is by reducing labor costs.

That's Economics 101!

Last summer, we built a brick bar-b-que grill on our patio. I did my due diligence and got some quotes from various structural brick companies. They were more expensive than he had budgeted.

Then I went to Craigslist and called several brick companies with Spanish last names.

It was this racist.

No, not even!

I know it from my upbringing in Los Angeles. That Hispanics are excellent artisans not only with bricks, but good artisans in general.

In short, I got a beautiful brick grill on my patio for about 60% the cost of the cheapest American one. Juan and José hooked me.

In the meantime, I would have loved to have one of my compatriots do the work for me. I had to go with the lowest bidder.

That is simple economics.

It's not my fault, Juan's or José's.

If there are semi-qualified UWs. They will find work. Penalize employers and you will inadvertently penalize society because higher pay rates mean higher prices for the consumer. That higher salary is transferred directly to you and me.

Allow alternate-year immigration and allow the natural demands of commerce / economy / processing to regulate the flow of people to the United States instead of 200,000 immigrants a year from all countries indefinitely. That is not sustainable or enforceable ……….

Here's the thing: the Constitution of the United States says that the "will of the people" is codified in laws that are passed by the representatives of the People in Congress and signed by the President.

We have very detailed and extensive laws that say who can enter the United States, under what circumstances, and for what purposes.

Those who violate those laws, by definition, go against the will of the American people, as manifested in our immigration laws.

In parentheses it must be said that, if you (an American citizen) do not LIKE what those laws say, there is a remedy for that: convince

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Here's the thing: the Constitution of the United States says that the "will of the people" is codified in laws that are passed by the representatives of the People in Congress and signed by the President.

We have very detailed and extensive laws that say who can enter the United States, under what circumstances, and for what purposes.

Those who violate those laws, by definition, go against the will of the American people, as manifested in our immigration laws.

Parenthetically, it must be said that if you (an American citizen) don't LIKE what those laws say, there is a remedy for that: convince your congressman and most of the other members of Congress to change the law, and convinces the President to sign the new law. Is that how it works. Until then, your discontent with immigration laws is a PERSONAL PROBLEM that you must solve inside your little brain. There is no use insisting that "we" ignore our own laws because you do not agree with them.

Now, illegal immigration, like all massive breaches of the law, is bad for Americans. It generates a lack of respect for the law and for those who enforce it.

Due to the horrible mistakes of previous left-wing supreme courts, "we", the American people, are stuck with the principle that EVEN THOSE WHO ARE IN THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY have a "right" to basically every facet of our "social safety net." "including food stamps, welfare, MEDICAID, housing subsidies, free (or subsidized) tuition in public schools and state universities, including free lunches where applicable, etc.

Most illegal aliens receive one or more of the free benefits provided by the states and the federal government, and many of them do not pay income taxes or anything else to contribute to the cost.

While it may be true that “we” pay a few cents less for a lettuce than we would without the presence of illegals in our Southwest, the overall COST of this discount far outweighs the benefit. And of course it is pure speculation if these lower prices are real.

Illegal immigration is bad for Americans. Thank goodness we finally have a president who understands this.

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